Don’t Worry About Your Prius Batteries

So late last night, I get an email from the Big Boss Man, Chris, about the batteries on the Toyota Prius. The conversation goes something like this:

“Want to do a factual/opinion piece on this? It’s a question I’ve heard quite a few times.”

“You mean changing out the Prius battery question is one you’ve been hearing?”

“More like what happens when the batteries stop recharging. Seems like people think they’ll run out within a few years.”

“Ah, sure … really? People think that? Damn … “

Allow me to put your mind at ease…

This whole issue was prompted by a blog post on Toyota’s Open Road Blog. It seems that some people think that the battery pack on a Prius, or any other hybrid for that matter, has a short shelf life. They don’t, but like everything else in the known universe, they DO have a given lifespan.

Normally, batteries are fairly simple devices, especially the simple lead/acid ones, like the kind in your flashlight and Prius. Sure, they will eventually wear out, but the key to maintaining a long life for most simple batteries is to make sure they’re fully charged when you idle them. With the battery in your car, or the batteries in a Prius, this isn’t a problem, because the cars alternator & charging system makes sure the battery is fully charged up when you park the car for the night.

What kills a lead/acid battery is letting it rest when it’s partially charged, or, more normally, letting it sit. That’s why, when you find that Ferrari GTO in the barn for $500, it won’t turn over. The battery has gone flat. You get out the jumper cables, and of course the car will fire up and run, cause it’s firing from the alternator at that point.

If you shut the car off, it won’t start again. Why? The battery won’t hold a charge.

Even with a car as exotic as a GTO, the answer is simple: You go down to the nearest Shucks/Kragen/auto parts store and get the right kind of 12 volt battery, swap it out with the old one like you would a light bulb, and your on your way.

Of course, this procedure is not the same for Toyota’s Prius.

There’s a BUNCH of batteries in there, and they’re largely inaccessible to mere mortals (you better have a lift for the car, etc etc etc). The good news is that the batteries are a really robust part of the whole system, and, as you would expect, Toyota has been keeping track of all the Prius out there to see how they’re doing in the real world.

There’s more than a few 1st gen Prius that are in the quarter million-mile club, that are still running like trains, and there’s even a Gen 1 Prius taxi in Victoria B.C. that’s over 300,000 with no battery related problems. And just in case you’re interested, the record is over 400,000 miles for a Prius.

So really, the batteries in a hybrid are a pretty strong link in the chain. The stuff that will wear out is the stuff that has always worn out, things like head gaskets and transaxels and tires and brakes and whatnot.

Don’t worry about the batteries.

Here’s the full scoop from Toyota’s Jon F. Thompson.

You probably know that we’ve been selling our Prius hybrid here in the U.S. since 2001. So let’s do the mileage math: At an average of 15,000 miles per year for seven years, that suggests that these 2001 Priuses could have a bit more than 100,000 miles on them. Some of them probably have many fewer miles. But some of them undoubtedly have seen many more miles scroll past their odometers.

Which of course raises a question in which owners of these cars are deeply interested: What happens when the battery packs that are fundamental elements of the Prius package no longer can store electrical power?

Make no mistake, batteries do, in non-technical terms, wear out. What happens is that they no longer can maintain the electrical charge that is essential to their ability to supply electrical power. But having changed countless batteries in flashlights and other devices, you already know that, right?

It is a fact that some of our first-generation Priuses are still going strong with more than 200,000 miles on their original batteries. A couple of cars doing taxi service in Victoria, British Columbia reportedly have seen 300,000 miles and in one case, 400,000 miles on the original batteries with what’s described as “very few maintenance issues.”

This is not to suggest, mind you, that anyone else will see these kinds of miles on their Prius batteries. It is only to suggest that fears of premature battery failure probably are unwarranted.

That said, there will come a time when replacement of the car’s batteries will be required. So you should know that first of all, Prius batteries are warranted for 10 years or150,000 miles in California-compliance states and eight years or 100,000 miles in non-California compliant states.

And you also should know that the battery packs are available from any Toyota dealer. The MSRP for a battery pack for a first-generation Prius is $2,299, while the MSRP for the battery pack for the second-generation cars, those from the 2004-2008 model-years, is $2,588. This reflects three price reductions for the first-generation battery since it was introduced and two price reductions for the second-generation battery. Naturally, labor charges, which are set by each dealer, as well as possible charges from ancillary parts that could be required, should be added to that figure. Finally, we assume responsibility for recycling all of our hybrid batteries.

So on one hand, battery replacement in a Prius is neither as simple nor as inexpensive as replacing the battery in a conventional car. But on the other, once the job is done, a replacement battery pack should be capable of delivering many more miles of the clean, efficient transportation owners have come to expect from their Priuses.

– Jon F. Thompson, Editor, Open Road Blog

  1. I agree that the battery issue will not be as big of an issue as once believed. My company offers remanufactured Hybrid battery packs at a fraction of the cost of new batteries.

  2. Emphasis on the “some” batteries.

    My dealer fully discharged the battery pack and wouldn’t fess up that they had done a horrible thing, at 5k mile service.

    It has now died at 83k miles.

    I will NEVER buy another Toyota again.

  3. Well here I am worrying about a Prius Battery: My 02 Prius Drive Battery, in spite of the reassurances that I shouldn’t worry about it, went out at around 85k miles. I guess it didn’t get the memo, that it shouldn’t be worried about. since it hit the 85k mile mark and died after 13 years had passed, warranty wasn’t an issue.
    Since it was unlike any normal car, and ran on lights and magic, and no one would fess up to having any knowledge about how to diagnose and/or repair it, I had to take a crash course, surfing the internet for clues as to why the car had died, stopping in the middle of the highway. No local car parts place had any idea what it would take to read the failure codes, or what they meant, even after the third generation of this car was on the road for several yeas by this time, Toyota Dealer wee Puzzled, but would be happy to tow it and replace parts till it worked again with no clue as to what this would cost, So that when they’d finished, they’d own my fairly new car. that was still in fantastic shape.
    I believed it could well be the battery, because It had been running on the electric motor (quietly whirring with no engine sounds), when it stopped abruptly, with an Eng. light Red triangle, and a red outline of a car, with a triangle inside the outline. all indications Toyota was careful to hide all clues to the meaning of, saying only to shut the car off and call them when it happened, which no one in their right mind would ever do with a car, of any kind, if they weren’t ridiculously rich. So I reasoned that the A/C compressor would be driven by the gasoline engine, and switched the A/C on at which point the gasoline engine kicked on and allowed me to drive to the nearest car parts place. the employee there, would allow me to use his code reader, but put a code reader on it, and was unable to read the codes, so I suggested he erase them anyway. which I finally talked him into doing, and the car again ran fine, for a few weeks with no sign of a problem, and no fault lights.
    By the time it failed a second time, Id learned on line that I was most likely correct, that it could well be a battery, but was side tracked for a time by finding the Inverter cooling pump, a nickel dime plastic motor with its bearings immersed in water, for insured quick failure, had also quit, as it was designed to do. I ordered 4 gen 1 used pumps online, all bad, before I simply bought a cheaper one for a gen 2 zip tied it to the gen 1 frame and adapted the plug, which had been changed along with the mounting, to force owners to buy the inferior gen 1 pump, or call Toyota for very expensive help.
    Then I took out the drive battery, and tested the cell modules with a multi meter, finding one that was charging to far less voltage than the rest, about 1.2v less which I remembered as the voltage one could expect from a Nimh battery cell. so I bought a cell module on E-bay, which repaired it, for $40, vice the $4,000 I’d head was the going rate for a new battery from Toyota. I did this same trick a few more times, till most of the modules had gone bad. Now I’m faced with the dilemma, of whether to junk the car, the most economical choice, buy a new battery from Toyota for more than I paid for the used car, in 2013, with only a 1 year warranty, buy an inferior reconditioned, or rebuilt battery with a had to honor from a great distance 4 year warranty for about half Toyotas price, or buy 38 second gen modules for Around $1000 with as short a warranty as Toyotas. None seem like good options.
    Conclusion: The Prius is a really good on gas, short lived throw away car. My other vehicle a 2000 Ram pickup gets a whopping 8mpg, compared to the 50mpg from the Prius, but, all repairs I’ve ever done on it, come to less than $200 over the same time I’ve had the Prius. Prior to the Prius the most expensive repair I’ve done on any car I’ve ever owned was $1000 for an engine on my 67 Chevy Suburban, and it lasted for another 15 years. So Do Worry About Your Prius Battery!!!

  4. Green Bean Battery is the (virtual) place to go when you battery dies. And, unfortunately, it will, in time. Mine, in a 2007, died at around 160K. The dealer would have charged me almost $3,000 for a new battery. Green Bean charged half that for a refurbished battery with a 5-year limited warranty (the warranted replacement cost increases over the years, naturally — and this seems very reasonable to me).

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